#0031 - Dr. Hardeep Saluja

We sit down with Dr. Hardeep Saluja, pharmacist, educator, and Rotary leader, to unpack how data literacy and service above self are reshaping modern pharmacy education and community health.

Hardeep brings us from his roots in New Delhi and early work in clinical trials to Boston for graduate school and on to Oklahoma, where he leads in the College of Pharmacy at Southwestern Oklahoma State University. He explains that the most valuable lesson from U.S. education was learning how to unlearn—challenging assumptions, thinking critically, and solving problems with an open mind. That mindset led him to design dual PharmD programs: one with an MBA for leadership and management, and another with a Master of Science in Health Information Management for data, informatics, and quality improvement. The result is a new kind of pharmacist who understands both patient care and the systems that power it.

We dig into AI, automation, and the future of pharmacy: precision dosing, real-time biometrics from wearables, and faster diagnostics that make care more personal and effective. Hardeep argues that AI is the modern calculator, a tool that won’t replace pharmacists but will amplify those who know how to use it. He shares how he fosters a culture of openness, consensus, and student-centered growth, and why emotional intelligence and listening are as essential as clinical knowledge.

Service ties it all together. Hardeep reflects on Rotary’s global impact, from polio eradication to local vaccination efforts, and how students learn by doing: diabetes education, rural outreach, and charitable clinics. He also shares why he founded the American Association of Indian Pharmacy Professors to mentor new faculty and build an inclusive, international network. If you’re a student, educator, or Rotarian, you’ll leave with practical advice—keep your mind open, observe carefully, ask for opportunities, and get involved.

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Chapters

• 0:21 Welcome And Guest Introduction
• 0:43 Journey From India To U.S.
• 1:15 First Encounters With Rotary
• 2:42 Values, Education, And Unlearning
• 6:00 Building Dual Degree Programs
• 9:07 Why PharmD Plus Data Skills Matter
• 15:28 Tech, AI, And The Future Pharmacist
• 22:27 Embracing Change And Precision Care
• 26:47 Leadership Wins And Department Culture
• 30:53 Service Above Self In Action
• 34:06 Teaching Service And Community Impact
• 39:14 Founding AAIPP And Inclusion

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:21

Welcome to the Rotary Spark Podcast, where we ignite ideas and celebrate service above self. Dr. Hardeep Saluja, welcome to the Rotary Spark Podcast. Can you share a little bit about your journey?

SPEAKER_00: 0:35

Thank you, Brian, for having me. Hello, everyone. Let me introduce myself. My name is Hardeep Saluja. I'm originally from New Delhi, India, where I did my undergrad from New Delhi in India. And pharmacy is something that was always my passion. I want to do something in the healthcare field. And I realized that the profession of pharmacy will suit well for me. So I did my undergrad back home and then came to the United States over two decades ago as a student. Did my MSN PhD from Boston and then landed up in Oklahoma in 2010. So I have no idea about rotary. I had seen science here and there. And then one day I got an email and somebody invited me to attend a rotary meeting. I went to the meeting, ate lunch, saw a few familiar faces, and I realized that that will be a very good platform for me to network and know people. Because I was new in Weatherford, Oklahoma. I wanted to meet people, and I realized that Rotary gave me a good platform for that. So I just joined Rotary just to meet people and see what they do. But after attending a couple of meetings, I realized that Rotary is way more than just networking. And as I slowly, slowly got more involved in it, I realized the potential and power of Rotary. And before I knew it, I realized that I became a member of a family that is in 200 countries. So joining Rotary was just a casual invitation. But before you know it, I became a Rotarian. And now I have been Rotarian for almost 15 years.

SPEAKER_01: 2:22

Wow. That's some time.

SPEAKER_00: 2:27

Yes. Once you get into Rotary and once you start meeting people, Rotary grows on you. And before you know it, you become a Rotarian.

SPEAKER_01: 2:38

That's a long distance from India to the United States. Could you tell us a little bit about the different and similar values that you've experienced?

SPEAKER_00: 2:52

Yes, absolutely. So initially I wasn't too sure about coming to the United States. So after my uh undergraduate degree, I got a job to work in a multinational pharmaceutical company in the field of clinical trials. The company was very popular. It used to be called Ranbaxi, but it's no more there right now. But it was a huge pharmaceutical company in India, the first Indian-based multinational, and I was involved in some clinical trials. And there somebody gave me a very good advice. They said that if you want to be successful in the business of pharma, get more education. So then I looked at places where I want to go. Do I want to study in India? Do I want to study abroad? And of course, the United States is the leader when it comes to research and development, and especially in the field of medicines. So I thought I'll give it a try. I applied to different schools, got a scholarship in Boston. So I decided to pursue my study here, my education here in the US. When it comes to values, there are a lot of similarities. Of course, my undergrad was in India. But then when I came to the United States, the way US does things is very different than what I was used to. But I guess I was a good learner, so I adopted and embraced the change. Most important thing I feel like what US education gave me was not how to learn, but it actually taught me how to unlearn. And the power of critical thinking, problem-solving skills, analyzing things objectively. I think all those skills I definitely gained here in the United States. And I love the US education system. So having said that, there are a lot of similarities, but I felt like there were more differences. The way things were done in the United States were way more open. So in a nutshell, if I have to say about US education system, is uh the power to unlearn that I learned here, critical thinking and problem solving skills.

SPEAKER_01: 5:34

That's inspiring. You know, I often I uh hear, you know, criticism on the other side tied to education in general, but I you know I'm often reminded it it it depends on who you're surrounded by and and and what you're listening to. I read that you're that you created a a very unique uh dual uh degree program. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

SPEAKER_00: 6:03

Yes. So um I teach at Southwestern Oklahoma State University in the College of Pharmacy. And I'm the department chair in the Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences, and we offer Pharm D degrees, which is Doctor of Pharmacy. So almost a decade ago, we realized that our students, if they want to be successful, they need more skills. Pharm D is a very powerful degree, but a combination of PharmD with other degrees can be even more powerful. So our first initiative was having a doctor of pharmacy degree with MBA. So students that want to rise up in the ladder in leadership or become managers, we thought that it would be a good combination for them. So initially, we started with PharmD with MBA. That program became very popular. Students were very excited about that. And then a couple of years ago, we started a new dual degree program. We call it Farm D with MSHIM, and MSHIM stands for Masters of Science in Health Information Management. In today's technology world, we are generating so much data, and especially in healthcare, but how to manage that data, how to manage that information is a very valuable skill. So with FarmD, our students are trained on drugs, drug products, disease state, and everything, but we have a limited understanding of how to manage all the information and data that is generated in the health care setting. So a couple of years ago, we started that, and I am happy to share with you that we are the second in the nation to have this combination of Farm B with MSHIN. And we are the first one in the neighboring states to have this unique program. And actually, we have been getting a lot of inquiries about this combination. And I'm glad that we started it because it is adding a lot of value to our program, and a lot of students are very interested in taking on this opportunity.

SPEAKER_01: 8:11

That's really exciting. It got me thinking about uh uh mixing business uh management skills and a variety of other uh skills with that doctorate, not to say that I understand uh that degree completely, but I I think that uh you know that's fantastic. A lot of degrees um not on the doctorate level. Um, you know, I one of the reasons why I I've resisted I get traditional education is because it kind of taught to stay in the fishbowl, so so to speak. So when I hear things that you know legitimately expand the minds of youth, it it inspires me. So thank you for sharing that. Uh so where you mentioned you mentioned technology. Uh, where do you see the role of of tech and and data changing the way that future pharmacists are trained?

SPEAKER_00: 9:18

So, you know, in today's technology technological world, we have to keep ourselves updated. And the big buzzword nowadays is AI that we hear all the time. And you might have heard people saying that AI will not replace you, but people that know AI will replace you. And I feel like yesterday's calculator is today's AI. So as we see advancement in the technology, there will be things that pharmacies that have been doing manually might be taken over by robotics and technology. So, from the way we provide education to students, and especially this is my philosophy, I want to train students on things that I will not be teaching in the class. I don't want them to just learn, but learn how to learn. I definitely want them to understand the power of construction, but also the power of destruction. Sometimes you have to deconstruct things and then reconstruct again from ground up. Because as things have been changing, students have to become critical thinkers and think out of the box and not only just stick to one area that they are comfortable with. To give you an example, like when we married these different degrees, the idea was to open up their mind. And with so much data being generated, now we need people that can handle the data. There are things that computer can do for us, there are things that AI can do for us, but these are again the tools. They will not replace humans. This is what I think. Wherever they are replacing humans, humans need to develop skills that they stay ahead of this technology. These are tools for us, and this will help us to do our job better. So, to answer your question, pharmacy in the next 10 years, I see there is a lot of advancements that will be happening. And I think our education system has to keep up with the pace at which this technology has been advancing to keep our students competent and making sure when they get out they can find a job, they have a career, and they can add value to the profession.

SPEAKER_01: 11:50

That's great. Uh and now it gets me thinking about you know the pharmaceutical industry and just technology in general. I uh why do why do you think uh so many people are resisting it? Do you think that it it's similar to I mean, would it be crazy to uh uh jump to the conclusion that it's uh similar to what you mentioned, the calculator and also uh you know electricity? I I I looked online uh within the last few days uh often using and just kind of doing some light research tied to AI, and I saw some uh anti-electricity propaganda from the late 1800s.

SPEAKER_00: 12:40

Well, so what I want people to think in this way horse riding used to be a skill, but it's not a skill anymore. Driving is a skill today, it may not be a skill tomorrow. When uh printing press came, people were resistant to the printing press. When computers came, we had the similar discussion. When I did my high school, we had log tables, and we will look at values from the log tables and then you know solve our problems and then take anti-logs and all that. We don't need that anymore. So, for example, when Chat GPT came, there was a lot of discussion that students will forget writing, students will not be able to write. Well, Google search is already there, grammarly is there, people are using these tools to make their work better. This is a way more advanced tool. So, with all these advanced tools, now we have more challenging um problems in front of us as well. To give you an example, right now, if somebody has a headache and they take ibuprofen, they only have options 200 milligram, 400 milligram, 600 milligram, 800 milligram. Those are the options that you have. Maybe you can cut into half or whatever. But tomorrow, for a specific patient, 127 milligram is best for the patient, does not give those any of those side effects. Can we do that? Probably these technologies will help you. The paint industry that you see nowadays, when you take a specific color that you want on the wall and you take it to any of the stores, they can exactly match it to the color that you're looking for. So, with these technologies will help us with the precisions and all. Some of the testings that we were doing earlier will take you know, sometimes days to get the results back. Now they are right on your tip with your smart watches, with all those people wearing rings and all that that are giving you constant data. So I'm a technology proponent, and I personally think that these technologies will help improve our life, quality of our life. So I think we should embrace it rather than being opposed to it because if we don't change, then technology will change us. So keeping updated with these technologies and training the newer generation on these technologies, I think that is the future.

SPEAKER_01: 15:21

When you look back at your work leading the department of pharmaceutical sciences, what are you most proud of?

SPEAKER_00: 15:31

Well, I'm proud of helping my students and bringing my department close and together. Um as a department chair in the department of pharmaceutical sciences. Um, my leadership style, I believe in open communication and building consensus and uplifting the morale of the department and the college in general, and of course, making sure our students get the best training. And I think I'm able to achieve that. There were a few things that we initiated in the department to make positive changes in the college. Starting this farm D with MSHIM was one of the big initiatives that I took. Teen was very supportive of it, and um, we were able to launch it very well. So I think overall, what I'm personally proud of is that I'm at a position where I'm able to help my students to provide them the best education, best training. So when they go out, they are very well prepared to be in a in the society where they are competent, they are successful, and they bring a lot of positive changes in the society. So they all will be good contributors into the society. So I think that's what I'm most proud of.

SPEAKER_01: 17:02

You're an active member of the Weatherford Rotary Club. What does the rotary motto, service above self, mean to you personally?

SPEAKER_00: 17:14

So, um, as I said, I've been a Rotarian for many, many years now, almost 15 years. So when you talk about service above self, these are just three very powerful words. And each word carries a lot of weight and meaning. So the first thing word that you see here is service. How can we serve others? How can we serve selflessly to bring changes in the community, to help anyone? And when you have this service above you, that basically, according to me, I feel like you're going above and beyond trying to help the community, trying to help the people, giving back to the community. And rotary service of our motor services above self motto is not only just the community that you're living in, we're serving the community that you know that is right here in Weatherford. We are serving the community in Oklahoma City, we are serving the United States, but we are also serving the whole world. So pulse polio immunization has been very close to my heart, and Rotary has done such a fabulous job with it. Growing up in India, as a pharmacy student, we will administer polio drops to kids and explain them why these um drops are important, why they should get vaccinated. At that point, I didn't realize that the rotary was behind this. So when I became a rotarian, I realized that's such a novel thing, a novel cause that rotary picked up. Giving life to a kid, just two drops, can completely change their life. Uh, really, you know, very close to my heart. Because you know, in India growing up, we will hear about you know, polio cases here and there, and as you know, that India has completely eradicated polio. So these three powerful words where you're selfless, selflessly helping not only just people around you, but actually helping people all around the world. Every dollar that we spend or you know we give to the rotary, it not only just helps you and I, but actually it is helping people all the world, people that we don't even know that we are helping.

SPEAKER_01: 19:47

How do you encourage students and professionals to balance career success with giving back to their communities?

SPEAKER_00: 19:57

Well, um not only just the students. I mean, this is my message to everyone. We all have to work, we all have to pay our bills, we have responsibilities. But it's very important as humans that we all live together. And when we all live together, then we all have to take care of ourselves. And when we take care of you know ourselves and others when we take care, that makes a society that is flourishing, society that is peaceful, society that you want to be in. So if I if you give an example about um how we do that with our students, our students are always involved in multiple community service activities. We encourage students to participate in food banks, we encourage students to participate whenever we are immunizing. And since our students in the College of Pharmacy have unique healthcare skills, so most of our students, you know, they are involved in a lot of different projects, like, for example, diabetes education, providing vaccination, explaining people how you know hypertension can be harmful to them. Going and serving uh in rural hospitals or uh in pharmacies, we have actually a charitable clinic here in Weatherford, it's called Adapi Clinic. Most of factories and our students are involved in that, trying to be part of um you know going to schools and helping school kids. So our students in general are very heavily involved. Rotarians here are also very heavily involved in the community. Where we realize that there is a need, um, benefit community in general always steps up and says, All right, we will help wherever the need is. To give you one example, whenever COVID hit, College of Pharmacy and the University got together and we were able to vaccinate over 20,000 people. The student body, the faculties, professors in the pharmacy that are actually trained to vaccinate and all, everybody chimed in. And as I said, we were able to vaccinate over 20,000 people here in Western Oklahoma. So overall, I think we are um very well connected with the community, and we want to instill that that community service component must always be there, and our students understand the importance of it.

SPEAKER_01: 22:48

It looks like you founded the American Association of Indian uh Pharmacy Professors, AAIPP, is that correct? Yes, I'm the founding member, absolutely. What inspired that and how has it helped uh connect professionals throughout the world? Okay, so we are recording this?

SPEAKER_00: 23:14

Yeah. Okay. So um we have an association called American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy. So when I graduated with my PhD, uh pharmacy profession was very much in demand, and people were looking for professors that want to teach Pharm D students and want to teach in the College of Pharmacy. So when I joined almost 16 years ago, I joined and you know I was able to settle well here. But there were a lot of challenges, there were a lot of unknowns because I was educated in an Indian system. And when you come as a graduate student in America, we were mostly involved in our field, in the research and the area of expertise that I have. And whenever you're doing your PhD, you become so focused on looking at one thing microscopically that sometimes you miss the bigger picture. So when I started here as an assistant professor in Oklahoma, I realized that I'm very good with whatever stuff I learned during my PhD, but there are a lot of unknowns, like how the education system in America works. I realized I didn't have a very good understanding of it. And looking at the Pharm B program, the way we learn pharmacy back home versus how students learn here was also different. So we will meet at AECP, and in the past 15, 16 years, we realized that the number of Indian professors are growing. So we realize that, you know, like we struggled with those challenges and all, but we learned somehow. But I think if we create a platform where we can actually help younger professors coming in and kind of provide a platform where they can get mentorship, where they can talk to people who have been in the field for someone. And the idea was to celebrate the contribution of Indian professors here in America. Even though we call it AAIPT, but I philosophically actually meant Indian subcontinent. So we were involving people from Bangladesh, from Pakistan, from Burma, from nearby countries. So where the number of professors are very limited, they may not be able to form an association or whatever, but at least we can serve as a platform for them to connect. And philosophically, I actually represents inclusion. We wanted to start small in that we want to test what is that, what kind of response we'll get. We got wonderful, amazing response. And I is definitely uh philosophically stands for inclusion. We have people that participate from you know all parts of the world. And another thing that we thought that this can also serve as a platform for people around the world. To give you an example, US was the first country to have a pharma D program. Two decades ago, it was just BSN pharmacy. In past two decades, you will see that pharmacy has completely changed a lot, and now it's all most of it, what our students learn is clinical skills. And I realized that those skills are very important for pharmacists that are being trained in other parts of the world. So we partnered with uh teaching association in India, and we realized that we can help them also to see how things function here, how pharmacy is changing, provide a platform for collaboration and be a voice of faculties. And as I said, we just want to make sure that a lot of like Indian uh professors from Indian origin that have been deans and all that, they have come together and said that well, if you people want to go in leadership or young professors that might be facing challenges and understanding things, navigating, understanding the culture, um, they're willing to mentor us. And whatever little bit we know, we are trying to help others. So the idea behind starting this was to provide a platform to connect people. And in past three years, we have received wonderful response. People are thanking us that somebody took an initiative. Multiple people even shared that they all thought about starting something like this, but everybody was apprehensive who will take initiative, who will take initiative. So I'm glad myself and some of my friends who got together and we took a chance. And I'm proud that we all took a chance. We are rather than thinking we executed it, and that actually is helping um people connect and helping bring people together.

SPEAKER_01: 28:20

How many how many people are in the association?

SPEAKER_00: 28:26

So since we are only three years old, actually, technically two years old, the first one that we did was just to test water. So whenever we do our banquets, we almost have 60 to 70 people attend, depending on the year. Membership wise, right now I think we are anywhere between 70 and 100. Oh wow. Um, but you know, every time, yeah. So we have a decent number of people that are connected with us. Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 28:57

That's really cool. Yeah, I'll have to uh check out the website. It's um let's see, I'm just kind of looking it up for reference.

SPEAKER_00: 29:05

The website is www.aitc.us.

SPEAKER_01: 29:11

Okay. A I P P dot US. Gotcha. So it it sounds like you've mentored a lot of uh a lot of students and uh young faculty. What's a one piece of advice that you would give to anyone starting out their careers in in pharmacy or academia?

SPEAKER_00: 29:51

One piece of advice that I'll give all of them that just keep your mind open, keep your eyes and mind open. You never know. What's gonna be coming in the future? So whenever you start your own career, you think that this is what I will be doing. But as time changes, you realize you will land up doing something completely different that you never thought of. So having an open mind and always this uh desire to learn, I think that will that will be my one advice. Another thing that I think I will I always share to my students and everyone be a good observer, observe what's going on around you. All our students they are scientifically very strong, but to be successful in the field, they must have very strong emotional intelligence. And one thing I think, and I'm trying myself to be better at it, uh having this understanding of self-awareness and recognizing the power of listening. I think they they are very important skills that if you learn those skills and practice that, I think they will be very successful in whatever they are doing.

SPEAKER_01: 31:20

Listening is uh it doesn't come naturally for everyone.

SPEAKER_00: 31:29

I personally think these are all acquired skills. So if you have trouble or if you realize that there are skills that you want to learn and you have difficulty doing it on your own, somebody has already done it. So reaching out and seeking help will definitely, you know, my advice to people you don't have to reinvent the wheel. You realize that you might be facing challenges. It's not just you, other people have faced as well. Learning from their experiences has been very beneficial. So I'm never hesitant in going out and asking for help. Um, I may have a mind block that if I go, he may answer or she may or may not answer. But experience has taught me that if I try, I may fail. If not, I already know that is that keep trying.

SPEAKER_01: 32:29

That's a really good point. It reminds me of uh just the natural tendency to absorb qualities of other individuals that you spend time with. Uh and you know, for me, as I spend time around people that are really good active listeners, uh gradually, you know, I'm continually reminded of people that are better at listening than myself, uh kind of seeps in a little bit over time. If you have one message to push out to existing or prospective rhetorians, what would that be?

SPEAKER_00: 33:14

So one message that I will have in one word if I summarize it, I will say get involved. Involvement will be I think a key here. And to get younger people involved, I think seasoned rotarians should help them get involved because whenever they are engaged, and as seasoned rotarians, if you have been a rotarian for some time, welcome the young people. Multiple times people don't know what they don't know. So there comes our job to make them comfortable, show them what rotary is all about, and the sooner they get involved, sooner they get connected with rotary, connected with community, build friendship, and then they realize that they become part of a rotary family and they don't want to leave it. Studies have very clearly suggested that people that become rotarian and they stay Rotarian for some time, they want to be Rotarian forever. They don't want to leave. So, to give you an example, whenever I became a rotarian to network, to meet people, and meet community, I was not very heavily involved in doing things. But slowly, slowly, as I started doing things and I started getting more involved in projects and giving back to rotary, giving back to community, it started bringing so much joy and satisfaction that I'm contributing something to the community. So for young people, whenever they come in, again observe, don't hesitate to ask. If you want to see any changes in the club, speak up. If you want to come in the board, go and ask, how can I be in the board? If you want to be in a certain committee, get up and say, Okay, I would like to be in that committee. And one more thing that I definitely want to share, especially with young Rutarians, initially you might think, well, there might be a lot of work involved, and I have to do everything. No, somebody has already done it. I didn't realize that district has so many resources. You know, when I became a president, I got more involved in it, and when I started attending district meetings, getting more involved, I realized there are things that I thought, well, I have to do on my own if I take up on this responsibility. Actually, no, there's a lot of help available. We want to start a rotat club here in Weatherford. And when I reached out to people, I said this is what we can do. But I also connected them with the district and said that, well, we have a chairperson who's oversees a road rat club. Let's reach out to them and they will provide you all the information that you need to make your life easy. We all are busy, especially young rotarians, when they come in, they already have a profession, they have a family, they have work to do. We understand that. So we want to get them involved, we don't want to overburden them. So it's important that they understand that there are resources available that they can take advantage of. So, again, in one word, if I have to share that what young Rotarians and even seasoned rotarians should do is get involved.

SPEAKER_01: 36:55

That's really good advice. Yeah, I I don't have a lot of experience in rotary, but based on what I've been exposed to, that's that that's very solid advice. Uh thank you. Uh Dr. Saluja, uh, where can listeners learn more about your work or connect with you online?

SPEAKER_00: 37:19

Well, I can provide you my university information if you type my name on Swasu search, or even if you type my name, Hardet Saluja, and space SWSU, you will see my contact information. I'm also active on LinkedIn. So you can see or connect me on LinkedIn. You'll be able to, I hope you'll be able to find me on LinkedIn as well. Okay. Um reach out to me via email or my office phone number or through the road free email. Um, whatever works for you. Would love to connect.

SPEAKER_01: 37:59

Perfect. And that uh information will also be available on District 5750's website at rotary5750.org. Also Yes, it should.

SPEAKER_00: 38:09

Oh, go ahead. Yes, absolutely. You're right on the road free website, Rotary5750 or Rotary International. So if you go to 5750 and you see Weatherford Rotary Club, you should be able to access my information.

SPEAKER_01: 38:24

And uh and if anyone gets lost, also on uh the Rotary Spark Podcast uh um website, uh the information will be available there. There'll be a back link that uh directly ties to you um and this episode. So uh there are a lot of options. Um and thank you for sharing the additional communication avenues because you know sometimes people want to reach out or learn a bit a little bit more, and it's good to be able to find that information online. Well, um thank thank you for joining us and uh uh look forward to chatting with you again on and offline. Um that's that's the Rotary Spark podcast. Uh thank you for joining us, everyone. Happy World Polio Day. Um, you know, the it might be running close to the actual event itself, but if anyone's catching this right before six, we're gonna be at the truckyard in Oklahoma City, uh, downtown. You can Google that, you'll be able to access that information. And we're gonna be out there for a few hours, rain or shine. Uh there are already plans to push us inside if uh the rain pops up. So again, uh thank you everyone for listening, and uh I look forward to connecting uh with everyone. Goodbye.